Refer generalized rules for retrogression of planets Part I
The following contents – compiled from various online sources for self consumption.
Saturn : Fear, past, karma, patience, contraction (squeezing), effort, discipline, responsibility, restriction, teacher, taskmaster, lessons, hard, father, authority, seriousness, stability, caution, mature, concentration, endurance, work and persistence.
Saturn is the planet of Karma, Restrictions, blockages, withholding and Hard Work. When he is in direct motion these characteristics are extremely obvious. Where ever Saturn is in one’s natal chart will depict where the individual will face obstacles, and will have to work quite hard to overcome. Things are withheld with Saturn Direct and many of the rewards come later or after much hard ship, and obstacles. This is also true when Saturn makes a hard aspect to a personal planet. Saturn symbolizes the rules and regulations in the early environment. The sign shows the cultural/societal influences into which they were born.
Saturn is in retrograde motion for approximately 4 1/2 months every year. Retrograde Motion of Saturn is negative, and that is really because of the fact that Saturn represents Karma it is believed that when a planet is retrograde you will face many Karmic issues with regards, to that planet. As Saturn itself is a planet strongly connected with Karma, its retrograde motion shows us a lot of unfinished matters from previous lives. During the present lifetime, it will become a tough, yet a necessary teacher, in order to balance any possible karmic debts. Native has difficulty saying NO and defining boundaries. They have no clue where these boundaries are so that they have difficulty defining boundaries and setting limits for others as well as themselves.
Saturn is the ‘father figure’ and ‘authority figure’ planet of the zodiac that basically says, “You don’t get a reward until you learn the lesson.” Saturn (the father) wants to reward but not if you cannot accept responsibility and self-imposed limitation that is for your own Good.
A retrograde Saturn makes the individual seek a different kind of responsibility and purpose in life. The person may be challenged by either the father or other authority figures to take more responsibility for their actions. Through the past life experiences, they answer their critics with a slow persistence of reaching their goals in life. Where the planet is by house and where it rules shows the area where they will have to strive hard for success. A retrograde Saturn builds the character to accept small gains in the long process of success. Security issues need to be addressed in their present life and only when the ego does not interfere, does the individual feel a sense of peace. Saturn’s sign in the chart is where the person needs to address the demands and responsibilities of life. – Judy Collins
Saturn is the natural ruler of the tenth house (Capricorn), the house that represents one of the parents (more likely than not the father), and the outside world. Saturn also represents discipline, difficulty, and hard lessons just to name a few examples of what Saturn and the tenth houserepresent. Add retro-gradation (Rx) to Saturn and you at least double the trouble.
Saturn Rx gives a deep sense of frustration, obstruction, selfishness, slowness, limitation, stinginess, secretiveness. Brings lack of progress, feelings of inferiority and timidity. Rx Saturn always indicates a continuous karma from the past, and much of what is done is a repeat of the past. Rx Saturn steadies ambition, lacks confidence, and is highly resistant to change and tends to keep the individual tied to the past. Has inner fears of commitments. Sexually there are restrictions bordering on impotence; the sexual nature is rooted in the past. Struggle with opponents and hard work without recognition. Can be self-defeating, with many stress patterns. Can be overly critical; needs more insight. Saturn Rx brings karmic duties, and frustration can be therapeutic in developing inner strength. The individual should not build a wall around himself; is inhibited or sad and weak, complaining, reluctant and shrewd, does not miss a trick. – Virginia Reyer
Saturn retrograde usually do not know when to stop working. Or they may not like work at all. As Saturn is the karaka of misery, it is important that one must not give into a negative attitude to life and embrace depression as a habit. Saturn is usually depicted as the poor man. The poor are usually hungry – for food, for material goods, for good things in life. Saturn retrogression can make individuals hungry with desire, wanting more and more even when the hunger has been appeased and they may be materially very well off. They need to watch for greed. Saturn rules Vayu ement. Vayu is air and Vayu needs to be used constructively otherwise it can become unnecessarily destructive. Retrogrades do not know how to use their energy so if they do not take care, Saturn can become destructive force for them. Anahata chakra teaches dispassion and detachment. When this chakra is blocked by retrogression then they can find it difficult to detach.
One of the view (to be tested) – Retrograde Saturn : Alone (without any conjunction or aspect) Saturn in retrograde phase is very strong in 3/6/10/11 houses (not in the 8th house) – usually called as Upachaya houses. Saturn starts behaving like its Vedhaka that is Mars. Now the above principle is to be reinterpreted with reference to the house or Sign in which Saturn is placed. Generally saying Saturn gives very auspicious results in the 12th house in the chart of any native but it does show when there are no malefic influences onto the 12th house. Extending the above example – “If this Retro Saturn is together with Jupiter, Sun or Moon –(these are friendly towards Mars) in the above specified houses and this conjunction will prove to be auspicious )taking for granted that there is no other aspect) . However it is desirable to understand that Jupiter and Mars should not be retrograde in the above scenario.
SATURN RETROGRADE is your signal that you are re-doing a lifetime. This incarnation is your 2nd chance; thus, you will feel the burden of dealing with two lifetimes at once. You can, therefore, experience inner doubts about your self-worth and your ability to overcome difficulties. The good news is that your soul knows you have achieved the spiritual maturity required to re-do successfully a lifetime. You have in prior lifetimes advanced through great personal struggles and sacrifices. Now, as you learn to flow with SATURN’s discipline, you will be rewarded with enormous wisdom. SATURN is comfortable in RETROGRADE motion, and as you flow with it, you develop the capacity to tap into all of your past life wisdom and talents. SATURN RETROGRADE is a sign of an old Soul who has advanced far on the spiritual path.Now, you have incarnated to perfect what you have learned.
PARENTS: your SATURN RETROGRADE child is likely to possess a serious nature and to feel overly responsible. You can assist your child by incorporating regular periods of play into the daily schedule. You might need to reassure this child that until he/she grows into adulthood, you will be the parent while he/she enjoys being the child. Self-discipline learned through play can be effective. Competitive sports may overload the child with the need to be responsible and do well for his/her team. Individual sports, such as swimming, track, and tennis may be more helpful. Observe your child and follow your intuitive guidance. Sculpture, sewing, and woodworking can be playful ways to satisfy the SATURN need to build structures.
SATURN RETROGRADE KARMA – the re-doing of a lifetime, with the extra weight that entails. SATURN RETROGRADE will be serious about getting it right this time.
Retro Saturn in Natal Chart
- Leads the native to consequences of previous lives’ decisions towards unfinished stuff / ambitions in this lifetime. It represents the neglect of responsibilities in the past or previous life for lack of self-awareness and honesty. The responsibilities ignored or avoided in the past are the clear indicators with the quality of Sign in which the Saturn is posited in retrogression in the current life. (For example – retro Saturn in Leo – related to leadership; Cancer – related to feelings / emotions etc)
- feels inside that they’re never good enough; indulgent outward behavior may mask inner feelings of inadequacy; * hides fears; over-disciplines self to keep from getting out of control
- it’s likely that you are constantly in conflict with authority. Either you feel persecuted by those who work above you or you are a person currently mismanaging your power position. Setting limitations and learning the levels to which others may be pushed are matters with which you must take issue. You are afraid of the risk needed to address the powers that be, but the rewards will be great if you can learn to gain more control in this part of your life. Patience will also be a lesson.
- these people need to teach themselves to say NO, to set boundaries, to learn exactly what is expected of them, and to learn an accurate sense of responsibility. They need to go out into the world and stake out their own boundaries, fight that invisible barrier they create for themselves. There can be much anxiety in responsibility situations because they do not know how far they can go before their chain begins to choke them. This can cause problems WITH responsibilities due to the self-doubt engendered about when they can actually be permitted to say NO.
- During previous lives, native may have struggled with issues of authority or limitations; abused his position of power or exploited weaker; cruel towards people, even by restricting them physically or imprisoning them; denial of help towards the others in need, while also victimizing and using weaker people. During the present lifetime, Retro Saturn forces native to repay such debt through hard physical work or a struggle for survival, while also serving the elders.
- Karmic limitation or prison life situation for serving the elders in terms of sacrifice, energy etc; It makes one lazy and indulgent – dark side of Jupiter
- Difficulty in expressing love and affection; Karmic distortion of personality with huge ego, lack of faith, tender / fragile emotions, insecurity in love etc
- a retrograde Saturn makes a person stronger in difficulties. He can endure and persist in his quests more than others, and the wounds that life delivers affect him less. Especially if the planet is well-aspected, the native’s robustness can be of a unique nature.
- cruel behaviors for repressed feelings and lack of love; tough and arrogant rebellious against authority (which is also an illusion); reserved, alone, shy and introverted, seeking voluntarily isolation etc
- on the outside, they are stoic. Inwardly, a bundle of nerves and worry. This can sometimes manifest as a rigidity or need to micromanage things. They’re not paranoid, per se, but they want to feel in control of something
- Native is extremely introspective, conservative, frugal and serious. They are teachers who have brought much knowledge with them from past incarnations and are happy to share that knowledge with others. They are minimalists and overly disciplined, oftentimes to an extreme. Saturn direct is restrictive, but Saturn retrograde often causes you to feel even more restricted. Consequently, you become frustrated when unable to bring to fruition, plans on which you’ve spent years developing. Yet Saturn also provides the tenacity and meticulousness required to bring those plans to culmination. However, allowing yourself to ‘go with the flow,’ and not resist lessons, you will ultimately experience the peace you seek.
- self doubt about your reputation, career and your self-image in general. You could react in a childish manner because of your fear of rejection from others.
- Saturn retrograde allows the positive benefits to come through much easier than in Direct Motion, allowing the person to reach success’s in the area that Saturn lies in their chart, without withholding – It at all native fixes his past life debts through course corrections and adaption
- In previous life cycles one was not able to regulate one’s relation to figures of authority in a constructive manner. One may have been too overwhelmed by other people’s status or social influence or might have completely disregarded societal norms of success or propriety.
Retrograde Saturn in Various Houses (Natal Chart)
Ascendant (1st House) : lack of flexibility in the previous life – so will have problems with ego and needless rigidity in his dealings / behaviour. He has to be cautious and develop flexibility to adjust in different situations.
2nd House: highly materialistic, emphasizing solely on possession on self-centered / selfish attitude in past life. In this life, Saturn will enable the native to manage and set side sizeable earning by way of accumulation only with great struggle. Initial poverty, denials, limitations, disappointments; more effort will have to be expended in order for the native to accumulate any degree of an estate or material security till native learns the value system
3rd House: Avoidance of responsibility concerning brothers and sisters, communication with others in past life for lack of mental attitude; In this life – additional burden / responsibility towards siblings etc notwithstanding his capacity.
4th House: Avoidance of responsibility concerning mother, education, residence etc and neglected / abused human feelings in past life.In this life additional burden / responsibility towards home and surroundings notwithstanding his desire or capacity
5th House: Avoidance of responsibility related to children, lack of purva-punya bhagya, curtailed creative ability etc for selfish approach in past life. In this life – denial of children, limited progeny or disabled child etc leading to additional burden in this lifetime towards children.
6th House: Avoidance of responsibility towards public / society at large and displeasure of the public, due to his negligence in past life. In this life – will be aloof, confined, isolated etc
7th House: Avoidance of responsibility related to spouse, partner etc for lack of faith in past life resulting into pending carnal and material desire carried forward in this life.
8th House: A neglected pursuit of higher / spiritual knowledge and /or misused / abused
knowledge, misused other’s money in past life; Karmic debts to be paid in this life for such abuse.
9th House: Disrespect for dharma, dogmatic approach towards religion and philosophy
resulted in religious persecution, violence and cruelty in past life; Abuse of any knowledge in the current life
10th House: Avoidance of responsibility and neglecting job / karma in past life; Trouble from trusted quarters in any walk of life, particularly in profession or job in this life
11th House: Immoral / illegitimate gains in past life causing wrath in this life such as forced excessive working without adequate compensation, humiliation at the hands of superiors etc
12th House: in past lifetimes, the person was too conservative and tended to seclude himself from the problems of the world. The Zodiacal sign in which the retrograde Saturn is posited shows that those particular Zodiacal qualities were ignored or misused. Each individual has the obligation, through the cons of reincarnations, to develop and manifest the highest qualities of each sign, and thus the retrograde Saturn in the 12th house will always indicate that the native of the chart failed to develop the particular qualities of the sign on the cusp of the 12th house. The native of the chart also repressed soul development and soul qualities. Retrograde in 12th is not bad, especially for a person who live beyond 60. The final departure can be very comfortable and the retrogression adds to this quality.
Sri Malladi Mani is of the opinion that a retrograde planet (Saturn) in Libra and Aquarius is most likely to give beneficial results. If Sun is associated with Retro Saturn in Aquarius ,the beneficial effects are curtailed even though Saturn is placed in Moola trikona part of Aquarius. If Mars is associated with Saturn in Capricorn , it is destined to deliver the malefic results over riding the beneficial nature of Saturn. But Retrograde Saturn behaves as it were to be Mars and this fact has to be taken into consideration when the final results are being assessed.
Saturn symbolizes the rules and regulations in the early environment. The sign shows the cultural/societal influences into which they were born.
When Retrograde, you were never really taught an accurate sense of what the rules are and how much to you have to do in order to be responsible.
You were not taught proper discipline but this does not mean that you were not disciplined but there was a certain vagueness about it so that you did not know when to stop yourself when is it enough?
They often have no idea of what they can or can not do.
Where you find Saturn R, this is where the individual has difficulty saying NO and defining boundaries. They have no clue where these boundaries are so that they have difficulty defining boundaries and setting limits for others as well as themselves.
Saturn R does not know its limitations. At times, these individuals confine themselves to a small corral when they could be roaming 40 acres; others can be so irresponsible that they think that they can roam 80 acres and all of a sudden they crash into the societal limits that the legal system imposes. They have no boundaries – there is a real problem when Neptune or Pisces is also strong.
One individual confided that he does not always pay his bills, does not pay taxes, does not like to work, does not clean…what does he do?! He looks for women to take care of him.
When Saturn is R natally, these people need to teach themselves to say NO, to set boundaries, to learn exactly what is expected of them, and to learn an accurate sense of responsibility. They need to go out into the world and stake out their own boundaries, fight that invisible barrier they create for themselves.
There can be much anxiety in responsibility situations because they do not know how far they can go before their chain begins to choke them. This can cause problems WITH responsibilities due to the self-doubt engendered about when they can actually be permitted to say NO.
Saturn ? in 1st is very typical of the 1st House Saturn. First, this position often was unwanted during the gestation period. Saturn here assumes responsibilities for others in order to feel wanted or connected to others. The Direct Saturn can isolate with a set of barriers to protect them. When ?, these people take on responsibilities for others in order to feel wanted and because they do not know when to say NO.
FEEDBACK: 1) One woman said that she always felt like a guest in her own home while growing up. She feels guilty for so much in her life that she will not even take personal calls in the office or take a longer lunch break. 2) I take care of everyone! 3) Another woman fears being isolated or trapped.
They have problems defining what they do or do not owe other people, especially in the people Houses 3-4-5-6-7-10-11
Saturn in the 2nd naturally feels that you only get what you work for and you work hard for everything you get. They observed their own parents working very hard to provide for them so they adopted this work hard pattern or philosophy. When ?, they can feel financially responsible for everyone – My mom did everything for the family. One individual said that her dad could not save money, poor Saturn structuring of boundaries, and he went bankrupt so this individual works very hard not to have this happen to her.
Saturn R in the 3rd and 4th often cannot say NO to the family members.
In the 3rd, there can be early school problems because of that anxiety about how much do they have to do.
Anxious students often have hearing problems and they misunderstand or make mistakes.
That is, they are so anxious about being wrong that they do not hear correctly.
When anxious, they become disoriented.
One individual with Saturn ? in the 3rd said that there was a cultural different so she had trouble communicating. She finally found improvement in her working relationships when she confessed her difficulty in communicating with others. Americans respond to such confessions and she immediately bonded with her co-workers who finally understood why she appeared so distant.
Saturn R in the 4th may have difficulty in identifying with the parents yet they cannot say NO. Assuming burdensome responsibilities may act to bond or connect them with family members (surely, they need to find another way). They may stay at home to take care of the parents. This could be due to a fear of being alone or in the dark.
These people need to live at least 200 miles from their family in order to be their own person.
Distance makes it easier to say NO
Saturn R in the 5th has trouble saying NO to children, especially the first born! Several had commented that they could say NO to the other children but not that first born!!
One woman said that she is overly responsible, feeling that she had to do it all herself, and she never had a babysitter to help her.
Another said that having the child really helped them to focus and get organized with other tasks in their life.
Their expressions of love towards others are often misunderstood.
They are not successful in gambling or speculation, unless very well aspected. They generally prefer save investment.
Saturn R in the 6th and 10th are perfectionists in their work because they do not know their boundaries. They have trouble putting their foot down, defining boundaries and saying NO so that bosses and employees take advantage of them. This is not an effective position for being a boss.
Saturn R in the 7th attracts parenting issues in relationships. They can attract an irresponsible partner and the relationship becomes a parent-child relationship that is never satisfying to either partner.
The 7th House rules what we attract in others. Saturn in the 7th can attract parenting issues in relationships.
If you are the disciplined one, then you may be the one who had to define boundaries for others.
It is good that you understand how to say No or this could be a troublesome placement.
Saturn R in the 8th warns that you really know the partner’s financial circumstances (and how they handle money) before you legally tie yourself to this person because these can be a liability for you. S. Orman says that you need to look at your father’s attitude towards finances in order to see how you deal with financial matters. This is especially true with Saturn R in the 8th House.
Saturn R in the 9th, especially ?, should never be raised in a strict religious environment — but they usually are! One woman went to Catholic school and feels that she had religion shoved down her throat. They can get lost in religious dogma to a point where they do not know who they really are. They need to define a new value structure.
Several students noticed a pattern of being raised by parents from different cultures or different backgrounds. This was often true of the 3rd H Saturn R.
Lots of guilt here and maybe a lot of fear as well.
They may go back for further education. Some interruption in the education is shown. One very brilliant man changed universities a lot due to self-doubts.
There is an attitude of rejection or not being good enough coming through the religious or philosophical attitude of the parents or church. If they accept this without question, they feel guilt and shame; if they reject this, they reject God.
COMMENT: I have Saturn Rx in the 9th. I was definitely not raised in a religious household. If anything, I was not taught any kind of religion or spiritual discipline. From the time I was a teenager, I did a lot of soul searching to find out exactly what would make me happy spiritually, and as it has turned out, none of them satisfied my need.
Any form of dogmatic spirituality or religion turns me off completely. I guess I’m a self-proclaimed pagan. The only time in my life I ever questioned whether there was indeed a “god” or “higher source” was when my oldest daughter’s dad was killed in a car accident when I was 17 – it took me quite awhile to regain my faith. I just didn’t see how a loving spirit could take away the one person I called my soulmate. I was very young and it took some time to stop grieving and get on with living. It may sound terrible to some, but through his death, I learned a lot about life, living, love and faith.
Saturn in the 9th might indicate or reflect as being rather uninterested in what other people’s opinions have to offer.
Saturn R has problems around the father and defining responsibility.
Saturn R in the 10th brings these problems to the work place. There is always a need to define boundaries and say NO so that others do not do this for you then you are trapped by the demands of others. This Saturn R brings obstacles when you do not know yourself and your attitude towards responsibility. Until you do, success and recognition will be delayed to late in life.
In the 10th, Saturn R has problems around the father and defining responsibility Saturn R in Gemini does not like any limiting responsibilities. They work best out of their heads and knowing exactly what is expected so they know their free time.
Saturn R in the 10th brings these problems to the work place you said that you do not like to work. There is always a need to define boundaries and say NO yourself so that others do not do this for you then you are trapped by the demands of others.
This Saturn brings obstacles when you do not know yourself and your attitude towards responsibility. Until you do, success and recognition will be delayed to late in life.
Saturn in the 11th is often raised in a world of adults so that they often do not fit in with their peers. When D, they seek a functional purpose in a group in order to feel that they belong.
When they can become terrified of groups (they were often raised by adults too and they may not relate well to people their own age). Direct assumes responsibilities in groups but the ? people often say that they never do this because of self imposed limitations.
Saturn in the 12th has a lot of fears connected with authority and abandonment. They often isolate themselves and appear anti-social. These people either find a safe government job where they can work independently or they become self-employed.
FEEDBACK ON SATURN RETROGRADE
- One student commented that she was not allowed to do anything for herself – from the routine things like doing laundry, cooking and cleaning so, as an adult, she does not know how to set limits for herself.
Although the Saturn retrograde phenomena may indeed suggest loss of the father, the retrograde condition more likely suggests the absence of authoritative guidance provided by the father. The father may be present but not involved in the child’s development. Work may usurp all of his time. He may be unable to give such guidance because of his own lack of structure. Or he may be tyrannical or an anachronism. The situation is really one of dysfunction whether the actual father is present or not.
ATTENTION: There are conditions that require modification of this guideline. A retrograde Saturn in the 10th in Capricorn is unlikely to signify an absence of authority. Also, when there is an absence of the father in actuality, there are compensating configurations such as lunar node aspects. These configurations suggest the maternal presence that provides that guidance. Single mothers are both mom and dad.
And then there is the time/maturity factor. The feedback given by a teenager may change completely as that teen matures. An idyllic childhood may actually be realized as horrific as age lends perspective. A client that swears the parent was “present” may not have a clear idea of the magnitude of parental absence until much later in life. Or, their life situation may not require a high degree of guidance in order to function in a typical way.
In early degrees, childhood fears and parents “teaching” the child to be quiet and out of the way, “good boy/good girl” syndrome. Middle degrees indicate difficulty with changing circumstances. Late degrees indicate leadership qualities through positions of executive-ship.
Saturn Rx acts a lot like Saturn 12th – it needs external stimuli for self motivation through the house it is associated.
Transit Retrograde Saturn
Saturn retrograde as a time to check your karma by working to right old wrongs, or correct past mistakes. Saturn is the lord of karma, and during Saturn retrograde past, present, and future can blur into one confusing karmic roller coaster ride. If you have negative patterns that have begun to spiral out of control, Saturn retrograde is a time to right this ship so you’ll awaken to calmer karmic seas when Saturn goes direct, though things may start to get better during the last few weeks of this five-month retrograde cycle. Since this particular retrograde lasts almost half a year, practicing patience will allow you to make the most progress.
Saturn deals with karma, limits, responsibility, tradition, conservatives, authorities, long term goals and accomplishments patiently created, taking responsibility, creating structure, and setting boundaries. Once a year the planet Saturn goes retrograde for about four-and-a-half months. During this influence, you will probably find it unwise to attempt sudden changes or to rush through things. Take practical steps and accept limitations while you take serious steps toward your long term goals. Saturn retrograde can cause you to become your own hardest taskmaster, limit your actions or leave you feeling blocked and pessimistic.
Retrograde Saturn is normally more powerful delivering the karma compared to Saturn in direction and therefore the effect is more intensified. Whenever Saturn turns retrograde during the course of the Sade -sati there are more harmful effects during the periods of Retrogression. Yet the beneficial transits of Saturn will be triggered by this last retrogression in any given seven and half year cycle of Saturn popularly known as Yelinati Shani (Saturn).
When transit Saturn is Retrograde – Review and accomplish any pending commitments.-
learn to resist any tension due to delays and obstacles- avoid frustration by accepting things as they are.- take up issue based evaluation and openly decline unfavorable issues.- Not to begin a new venture without considering the completion of past commitments.- scan the surroundings and see how to change the current critical situations. – Not to get disappointed if things don’t work out as per plans.- review and reorganize important life matters.
Saturn Retrograde in the 6th house in the natal chart.
The predictive astrology has two major limbs to stand on. One is dasha and the other is the transit. A retrograde planet in transit may have a different meaning, though there may be some resonance between the natal retrograde planet and the same planet getting retrograde in transit . For example a native who has his 6th lord Saturn (R) posited in Ascendant has repeatedly suffered problems from one or the other employee whenever Saturn is retrograde in transit. During the retrogression it has given him a lot of mental anxiety. Once the planet assumes direct motion, the problem evaporates, as if by magic. Please note that Saturn and 6th house both denote employees. Generally, retrograde planets cause a repeat activity or the decision is revoked, for the time being. Often the promotions or transfers are stayed for some time. Once the retrogression is over, the concerned event moves ahead to its logical conclusion.